1992, 05/04. Stewart Traill’s Message To Jim LaRue.
The following is a message to me from Stewart Traill, which was his response after I stood up and spoke to him at the meeting the previous Sunday. It was dictated over the phone by Traill to the office and then read to me by Joe S., who read it with great enthusiasm from a file card, as he stood before me. Since it was from Traill, it was considered by everyone to be the real deal on me.
Nowhere in the message does Traill say that he was doing this because I stood up to him at a meeting. In no place are any of the words I said repeated, nor does Traill answer anything by saying “I am not doing that,” or, “I don’t agree with what you said.” Rather there is this high-minded sounding message that almost sounds like an Old Testament prophecy, in which metaphorical, universal and eternal sounding words are pronounced against me as his response to some pointed and direct observations I had made about him.
The words that I had said to him were:
“You said that you repented (back at the “Grace Meeting” in 1989), and I think you were sincere, I really do. But I see that you have gone back to the way you were before, in fact, you’re even worse than before.”
“You’re alone and you need to get your views checked.”
“You are pushing brothers around.”
I never got to finish what I had to say, because many of the brothers in the congregation rose up in one angry voice, denouncing me for “attacking the very reason why we are together as a church,” and for “attacking the roots of our church” – which, in a sense is true, if one considers that we were huddled around Stewart Traill as our leader, a leader who had a unique and only correct view of Christianity in these modern times, which is essentially the belief we were willing to give our lives over to. I, naively and sincerely thought that if I spoke up, there might be changes here. Within seconds I was soon to realize that the only change that was going to happen was a change in my church membership – which would also include the immediate termination of my job and the immediate loss of my place of residence – since I both worked for and lived in the Church of Bible Understanding. I might be escorted off the property immediately. If I were lucky, I might get a ride back to New York to pick up my things before being put out on the street and then try to find a place to stay. Despite having been a member of the church for 11 years, I was put on a “three day sudden death,” which is the ultimatum that was given only to the most violent and disruptive “new disciples” we “swept up” off the streets. If I did not show change, I would be put out.
I was very surprised and shocked to receive this treatment, and being overpowered, I immediately backed down and began to blame myself. However, that moment became a milestone in my thinking about the Church of Bible Understanding and all that it stood for, and about my place in it. Those that I lived and worked with were willing to summarily throw me out the door for having voiced a few objections about our way of life. Traill was not opposed to this. No one objected, nor did anyone say I had a point. The man of truth, Stewart Traill, who was always “truthspeaking” and exposing our faults in bitter tirades against us “older brothers” at meetings which often seemed to be on the level of the Nuremberg Trials, would not permit the slightest criticism of himself.
Here is the message:
“Give this to Jim LaRue. Tell him to read this 17 and a half times and take two aspirins.
“Jim LaRue’s world: “The Nile is mine and I reform it into whatever I want.” Jim LaRue’s goal is to be allowed to be left alone to put together and live in his own little world. Jim LaRue, among other things, is very strong-willed and convinced that his own little tree world is the best off all possible worlds and, being a true believer, he is ready, willing, and able to suffer for his faith. He refuses to accept the dominion of reality, yet he recognizes that he is also dependent on reality in order to survive and also to find “good things” to squirrel away in his tree world. So, he is forever /committing/ and frustrated and irritated at his dependency on reality (but he will grudgingly accept the latter) and there are signs that he is starting to lose his way in this bizarre connection. He just hasn’t gotten the concept of one or the other! To him it is impossible to settle for only one. So he actually argues that he will have it both ways. The normal thing is to grow up and to realize that “I am part of something that is much, much bigger than me.”
“There are very few like Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, Attila the Hun, and Jim LaRue.”
[So, you see what I was up against. A closer reading of this message reveals certain concepts: I am trying to do something that is impossible (trying to live in two worlds). I am starting to crack or lose my mind (implying that standing up and speaking to Stewart is merely a symptom of my internal troubles). In other words, it is a diagnosis of the "fact" that I am losing my mind. I am being defined as a mental case, and I am trying to live contrary to all of reality. (That is, contrary to Stewart's teachings, which are reality. This is not directly stated, but, after all, it is Stewart--who represents truth—whom I have spoken against.)
Nowhere in this message is this connection mentioned (the reason why the message is being delivered), though it was plain to everyone, including myself, that the message was given as a result of what I said. Nowhere are any of the things that I said to him mentioned or dealt with in a substantive way. We all "knew" anyway that Stewart always went to the deeper issue in any situation--the "truth."
I am also being "offered" a way out, a way to "come to my senses," since my way, of course, is hopeless. In his greatness, there is no retribution for what I have done, but rather a condescending offer to "join in something greater than myself." Then, as a final mock, I am grouped with three legendary and great world conquerors, implying that I have delusions of grandeur.
This message is a pronouncement only, a diagnosis. There is no invitation to call and talk to him. I suspect that I was on to something real with him, and he was trying to buy me (and everyone else) off with a diversionary tactic, by an attempt to portray me as a person on the edge of sanity, someone who has a perception problem, and with a condescending offer to stop this behavior (to stop saying things like this to him) and to humbly rejoin the flock.]
For my journal page where I wrote about the incident, see the link below, then scroll down about halfway through.
jamesl1.wordpress.com/1992-0603-cast-off-into-red-hook-warehouse-living-at-its-finest/
I also mention this incident in my “Exit Statement, Why I Desire to Leave the Church of Bible Understanding.” You can find that by looking at the menu at the right of this page for 1993, 08/15., or you can click on the link below:
July 12, 2010 at 1:45 am |
Stewart is a miscrient narcissist. What he wrote to you was actually a description of himself~!! In his own warped way, he actually was admitting to you what he was but simultaneously warning you that you would be the one who is made out to be the bad guy. Typical reverse accusations~! Rather transparent when you stop to think about it a moment.
Stewart was a mental case long before the FF/Cobu began to grow. He could hardly contain himself, that so many young people would actually be willing to hang on his every word and elevate him to the position of a god on earth as has happened.Still he is in power and confident and has very maniacally but carefully set about a bunch of self preservation controls that he has been able to elude legal authorities for the last 39 years.
I am a bit surprised he actually put this in writing as all it is, is a projection of what he actually is.
The mental problems any of us developed as a result of being under Stewart’s spell are the results of oppressive spirits that were sent to follow us after leaving Cobu~ Prophecies of doom and gloom to all who departed from ‘his’ way.
Praise God you are out from under his foot~!!
GBU~!
Ave
July 13, 2010 at 1:37 pm |
Ave, I appreciate the comments. That’s an interesting way of looking at it. Yes, I realize now too that the things Stewart Traill accused us of were the things he was really doing. (Maybe that’s why he was so preoccupied with it.) Aside from the general (and constant) accusations and charges leveled against us, such as that we were “perverts,” “hoping in this life,” “thumbing our noses at Jesus,” and “rebels and cheaters,” I have just remembered this one: He accused the Older Brothers of being like the rich man, and said that the “New Disciples” (men we “swept up” off the streets) were like the beggar Lazarus. (The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Matthew 16: 19-31.) We were building up our “riches in this life,” while ignoring the new people. But, none of us were rich by any means. And we were working day and night in the church business and devoting most of our other hours on other church activities, including “shepherding” the New Disciples – I mean, Stewart didn’t spend any time with them. When I heard that, I thought of how I have only 2 or 300 dollars in the bank and I get 30 dollars a week “allowance,” own no properties or investments, and have few possessions, other than some books and several changes of clothing, how is it that I and the other Older Brothers are like the rich man? I’m giving up everything, my very life, to serve the machine here. Of course, Traill said, it’s not the physical money, it’s an attitude. I thought, what are my “riches?” (The ones that are not money.) That I want something for “self” in this life, like learning French? He went on to paint a picture of us, lifting up our eyes in torment in hell, like the rich man in the parable, and the New Disciples would be in heaven. If you look at the balance sheet of the Church of Bible Understanding, and the condos and the mansion, it’s clearly Stewart who was the rich man then, and he’s even richer now. However, it was convenient to accuse us of it, to guilt trip us in order to squeeze even more work out of us and to make us feel guilty about (and to give up) any little private space that remained, or any desire to have a little hobby or interest on the side that might direct even a few hours a week away from our full attention to, and from the giving up of our whole selves to serve his own goals. And Traill never looked rich to me. He wore his uniform of work pants and shirt, always the same colors. He drove an old car.
However, I do consider that if Traill had thrown me a bone and said, “Yes, you may have a point there,” and if he had allowed church members personal time in order to have a balanced life, I might still be there.
July 21, 2010 at 3:19 am |
Hello
I was in the FF back in 74-76 in Youngstown and Cleveland and briefly in
NYC in 76.
Well??
I read these posts and ?? well, I miss being so innocent and naive.
Stewart was and I assume still is a miss-guided person.
And, yes he has missdirected people
but,We are all responsable for ourseleves!
anyone is free to write me at Suitmedia@aol.com
July 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm |
Hi David,
I think we were all innocent and naive in our earlier years there. I’m not quite sure of your meaning when you say Stewart is a misguided person. The meaning that seems to come through in your comments seems to be he’s not such a bad guy. But I could be misunderstanding your comments. Things have changed in COBU since the mid seventies, and it’s more than just a name change of the organization. I was not there back then, when it was called the Forever Family, but I’ve heard good things about that time period.
From time to time, we’d have someone come back who had been in the FF and who had not been around since then. They were always in for a shock, and they never stayed very long.
Jim
July 23, 2010 at 2:09 am |
I just thank the Lord that got me out of COBU. We were all misguided, but Jesus from the bible does guide you. Not a man. Interesting article. I can see Stewart being a mental person. Is he still around and his wife Gail? We all need to get our hearts ready for the coming of our Savior.
Looking forward to see everyone.
July 26, 2010 at 2:07 pm |
Good points, Diana. You were one of the smart ones that got smart and got out, a long time ago.
August 4, 2010 at 12:14 am |
Jim,
I remember you and I was at that meeting that Stewart “quote ” repented” and confessed that he was not “Born Again”.
The thing that I could never reconcile in my mind was this, if he was not a believer all those years how could he be in a position to “lead”.
I thank God that dispite the false teachers and liars in the church/body of Christ, God will always preserve his people and lead and guide them into truth.
I have come to learn as Solomon has taught us that there is truly nothing new that is under the sun. God warned the phophets of old that others will come and not speak my words.
Yes we were young, we were not taught the truths of living the christian life based on the word. But by his grace and in Jesus name we can press on and learn from from our past and help and aid others.
Btw, the last I heard of Gayle is that she was in a coma from a plane crash.
August 4, 2010 at 1:31 pm |
Hi Joan. I remember you too. That’s a good point you make about him not being qualified to lead, if he claims he had not been born again all those years. Maybe he would have started from a lower seat then.
About Gayle, yes, she was in a coma. She may have improved slightly. There have been several people saying it was from a plane crash, but really it was an auto accident in the Bahamas.
There is a court document online that says:
On February 7, 2002, Gayle Traill was injured in a car accident in Exuma, Bahamas. At the time of the accident, Mrs. Traill was a passenger in a rental car operated by her husband, Pastor Stewart Traill.”
You can read the document here:
http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/06D1130P.pdf
(If the link does not work, you will need to cut and paste the above into your browser in order to see that website.)
January 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
The biggest draw was being around a lot of young people, and he was the Pied Piper. It was “you and me against the world.” Unfortunately, if you stayed too long your free will started to atrophy. I agree, he is a narcissist, and he did not truthfully appeal to our better angels. There is something cool about having super knowledge and looking down on everyone else, even if it is all a bunch of baloney.
January 7, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
Louise, I agree with all of this, except for the very last part, “it is all a bunch of nonsense,” but I’ll come back to that later…
One of the big draws was being around all the other young people, and I got to know a lot of people. After staying too long, it was easy just to conform and not go by “my own thoughts.” Part of that came from the conditioning of being told what we wanted was wrong or that you had to be “in fellowship” about all your decisions, which often was just a form of asking for permission, rather than finding out options or what God’s will was in matters. Usually, the agenda of the moment was being pushed (bringing money and new converts) and that left little time for one’s own desires.
About the communal life and regimented lifestyle, Sabina Wurmbrand told us (I met her after I left) that the COBU’s communal lifestyle might be good for a young person for maybe a year or so (sort of like a Christian bootcamp) but after that, not so good, as it would lead to the sort of dependency that you are mentioning (atrophying your will). She also said that if Stewart Traill says we should live this way, then he should live that that way too – which of course, he did not. Even from the earliest years, Traill lived in the tree-lined streets of suburbia, while FF and COBU members lived in lofts – though it is true some lived in communal houses. The only “community” Traill seemed to like to have in his private house was young female helpers?
It’s true too that Traill was a narcissist and did not appeal to the good in others or truly seek their good – though he often preached on seeking the good of others and loving others. However this “love” was often carried out in the form of harsh criticism of church members. We also did this to one another. I was sometimes a victim of this “truthspeaking” and also am guilty of giving it to others.
It “all being a bunch of baloney,” I don’t agree with, unless by “baloney” you mean the feeling better than others and looking down on them. Otherwise, I’d say I got a lot of good out of COBU, or maybe in spite of COBU and that it was not all a bunch of baloney. See, this is what is so difficult sometimes for those who leave. What do you keep and what do you throw away? Because we got a strong dose of legalism and condemnation served up with our Christianity, do we throw away our believe and faith in God entirely? If rat poison has been mixed with a good kind of food, do you never eat that kind of food again? (My rat poison detector or BS detector is fully operational after all this.
Mark Twain said that “The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove lid again. But he won’t sit upon a cold stove lid, either.” The and stove lid for me is not Christianity, but rather I am watchful of distortions of it and junk being mixed in with it.
January 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
Yes, I think they call it itching ears
February 14, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
Jim LaRue (and anyone else who reads this):
I was involved with COBU for a short period. I never lived at any of the residences but I did visit the Lamb House here in Philly and the house they had for a short while on Salagniac Street which was in Roxborough. People I remember: Shelly, Ann, Adrian, Bob, Daniel are a few. I was at a Big Meeting somewhere in New York when a man who had been a prisoner in Russia or Romania (I can’t remember which) spoke. I am a writer and have been considering writing a book about COBU. I am seeking individuals who have had any involvement with COBU or Stewart. I would like to interview you either online, by phone, or in person. also, if anyone knows how i can contact others who had COBU involvement, most especially Shelly, I’d appreicate any leads you could give me.
Thanks,
Gregory Cherry
e-mail: XXLivingProof@aol.com (please put COBU in subject box)